One often comes across phrases like you are lucky, luck is on my side, good luck, bad luck, you just got lucky, best of luck, in luck, out of luck, as luck would have it etc. To my knowledge, almost everyone believes in luck. The thing which I don't get is why people go in for luck. The whole of the human race in my perspective could be classified into three broad categories videlicet
.Those who believe in the existence of God(theist).
.Those who believe in the existence of God(theist).
..Those who don't believe in the existence of god(atheist).
...Those who are skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism(agnostic).
If a person is a theist, why should he believe in luck when he believes in God? and if he still persists to believe in luck,
.Is luck another God?
..Why doesn't one worship luck?
...Who is bigger and greater,luck or God?
If a person is an atheist, why should he believe in luck when he doesn't believe in God? If he still persists to believe in luck,
.Is luck superior to God?
..Shouldn't he be believing in his efforts rather than luck?
...How can he put his faith in luck when he can't put his faith in God?
If a person is an agnostic, he must be skeptical about luck's existence if he is skeptical about God's existence, if not, well then it's just his misestimated clairvoyance!
LUCK is just a four letter word which has a meaning in the dictionary albeit has no meaning in real life!
If a person is a theist, why should he believe in luck when he believes in God? and if he still persists to believe in luck,
.Is luck another God?
..Why doesn't one worship luck?
...Who is bigger and greater,luck or God?
If a person is an atheist, why should he believe in luck when he doesn't believe in God? If he still persists to believe in luck,
.Is luck superior to God?
..Shouldn't he be believing in his efforts rather than luck?
...How can he put his faith in luck when he can't put his faith in God?
If a person is an agnostic, he must be skeptical about luck's existence if he is skeptical about God's existence, if not, well then it's just his misestimated clairvoyance!
LUCK is just a four letter word which has a meaning in the dictionary albeit has no meaning in real life!
28 comments:
To My perspective one cannot define luck based on beleif in god or faith...luck happens when one gets the things unexpectedly...it all happens by say we can resolve this problem by probability...that say how one can get heads or tails in a toss...when u get the head which u have thought in mind in second time u cannot say its luck(the probabily have already been given as 1/2 that says out of every two chances u get heads)similarly all the luck things happens based on probability only...it is a by chance mechanism....so all i mean to say is luck is different,faith on god is different....this is according to my opinion...
I have refrained myself from commenting da! :D
@sri
I classified humans into 3 broad groups and i suppose you are ok with the classification.Now you have said luck is different from faith in God.Well lets take the same tossing a coin example.
1.Theist:if a theist wants a head desperately and gets one,he is sure to thank God for not letting him down and he is in no way going to call it a luck.
2.Atheist:An atheist in the above scenario would say it happened because it happened.As simple and straight as this would be the answer.
3.Agnostic:An agnostic would react to the same situation by calling it a strange coincidence.
All i said was luck is fallacious when the classification is made on the basis of faith in God.
@Gadha
i don't get it.why have you restrained yourself from commenting?after all this is your friend's blog!
Hmmm Ganijuu what i feel is You are totally confused. confused with the concept of GOD and hence with the concept of luck.
Now here goes my argument.
It applies for all the ppl one who believes, doesn't believe and is in the midway.
Now everyone in this catogery knows that the existence of universe, the big bang theory and all the thing which happen around us is not magic. Theist say its god. atheist says he wants proof of god and doesnt believe it. The agnostic goes the side which is convenient for the time being.
All the three categories can never deny the fact of existence of energy. Now i can draw parallels with God and energy
Energy can neither be created nor destroyed.
God can never be created or destroyed.
Energy is present everywhere so is God.
Now the paralles between god and energy really large.
So i can vaugely summarize God to be energy.
So this is a common point for all the ppl and no one can deny the existence of energy.
Now since we r clear abt god now. Lets deal with Luck. Luck is some phenomenon on probabilty as srinath said. that is a chance of happening. Sometime the high chance may not happen and low probabilty might happen. Based on the outcomes we classify it as good and bad luck! The best example being anna univ correction system. If u take the Normal distribution curve for any event u say U r lucky(i.e u dont expect but a nice thing happens) then it falls on the right side of the curve. Unlucky similar expalnation hold then u r on the left side of the curve. And lies in between or lets say Unity if what u expect to happen will happen.
Now again what is probability of occurence depend on??
The answer is plain simple "ENERGY". Now its upto U to conclude based on my explanations... I think my explanations are clear. And i think i have a bigger comment entry than ur blog entry. How unlucky i am not to own a blog spot... Thanks to Raghu!!
@krishna
Im confused??lol u crack me up dude.You and sri may have a lot of difference of opinion but you two do have one thing in common and that is pure misinterpretation of what is being said.
Now for starters,I have clearly mentioned my classification and the part of luck in it.Since my classification is based on God,God's existence and since I've written about luck with reference to my classification,im in no way confused.
Number two,you have drawn parallels between God and energy and have stated that God can neither be created nor be destroyed.An atheist or an agnostic will certainly not accept your statement because they are not theists!! :p .I being a theist accept the fact that God is the omnipotent energy but then again the other two categories won't swallow this fact.
Number three,you have stated that luck is probability.i've replied to this same comparison made by srinath earlier.He mentioned about tossing a coin and you have mentioned about the great anna univ correction system.Makes no difference really.Since you have drawn parallels between God and energy,I presume you are a theist.As you have mentioned,lets take anna univ correction system.You either get more marks than what you had predicted or less marks than what you had predicted and in very rare cases you get the exact predicted mark.Be it any of the above case,I see no connection between the outcome and luck.If you have obtained less marks,you are in no way unlucky.It is just that the correction was strict.If you have obtained more marks,you are in no way lucky.It is just that the correction was lenient.If you have obtained the exact predicted marks yo man you could be the next Nostradamus!!
Finally,You don't own a blog as of now because God feels you are either unfit to hold a blog :d or is waiting to give you something even bigger.Here again I see no intervention of luck.It's all part of God's game.Play it well.So don't thank Raghu,ask GOD instead!!
PS:This comment is bigger than your comment and my blog entry.
Ha again I had taken a direction of Energy only for the non believer in god. And for ppl who believe in God i have to prove them energy is God, hence my parallels abt God and energy(have u heard of pagans??)! So that i have to satisfy all 3 parties in the issue. That does not qualify me as an theist. HOPE THIS IS CLEAR.
Now didn't you say you were lucky last sem when u got more marks. Hmm now let me discuss the issue of probability here. Now out of the 'x' ppl who are involved in corrections let us say there are 'y' ppl who are linient and 'z' ppl who are strict and 'k' ppl who are neither both.
x=y+z+k
prob that u get more marks = y/x
prob that u get less marks = z/x
prob that u get exact thing = k/x
The first case is good luck
The Second case bad luck
The third case u get what u deserve.
If my prediction coincides with the k/x probability then as u said i am Nostradamubs but unfortunately here k/x <<< 1 and -> 0. U can easily relate where things lie in the normal distribution curve. That has been discussed earlier.
Now as far as my blog post is concerned there were 2 possible outcomes me gettin it via raghu and not gettin it via raghu the prob is 0.5, which is dependent on the prob of raghu gettin or not gettin it from his cousin which is agian 0.5, again this is dependent on cousin remembering the pass another 0.5, now there are many other probabilistic quantities which can be included(Known and unknown) again this can be calculated as a total prob of me gettin it from raghu.
Now u can also include me creating without raghu which is again dependent on lots of factors which has its own probability.
And hence u see the connection.
Now again I reiterate there is some quanta of energy needed or spend for each of the outcome. Hence there exists a connection between energy and probability.
Say if u toss a coin the force u give is converted into rotational motion on the coin which would govern the probability. Hence my connection.
Now finished its a part of God game and the result of a game is win or loss and again its a 50 50 probability.
Ithuku mella i cannot give You explanations. I have told like how i wil tell for small baby. If u cannot understand u must go back to third sem and learn PQT.
PS 1: Me and Srinath agreeing on this is luck which coincides with the 50% prob of agreeing on the same issue
PS 2: This is bigger than ur previous comment.
dei sps u win a lottery[thou its banned now] of 1 cr...wat woul u call tat???
@krishna
Oh boy here we go again...
I did say i was lucky when i got more marks last semester but you see this topic of luck and God struck me only some few weeks ago and that was when i started analyzing this topic.
Hey sorry for mentioning you as Nostradamus earlier.You introduce new theorems so excellently well that you could be the next Ramanujar!
According to you:
Out of the 'x' ppl who are involved in corrections let us say there are 'y' ppl who are linient and 'z' ppl who are strict and 'k' ppl who are neither both.
x=y+z+k
prob that u get more marks = y/x
prob that u get less marks = z/x
prob that u get exact thing = k/x
The first case is good luck
The Second case bad luck
The third case u get what u deserve.
According to me:
Out of the 'x' ppl who are involved in corrections let us say there are 'y' ppl who are linient and 'z' ppl who are strict and 'k' ppl who are neither both.
x=y+z+k
prob that u get more marks = y/x
prob that u get less marks = z/x
prob that u get exact thing = k/x
The first case is:
God is on your side if you are a theist.
Efforts never go as a waste if you are an atheist.
You got it because you deserved it if you are an Agnostic.
The second case is:
God is testing you if you are a theist.
More effort is needed if you are an atheist.
The correction must have been strict if you are an agnostic.
The third case is:
God is just in his doings if you are a theist.
Output is directly propotional to input if you are an atheist.
It's just a strange coincidence if you are an agnostic.
Ithukumale you can't explain anything ah?Iduvaraikum nee enna explain panne?All you did was connect God with energy,energy with probablity and probability with Luck.Thats all.With this connection that you made,i make a new lemma and here is how it goes:
If x=y
y=z
z=a
Then x=y,z,a
Where
x=God
y=Energy
z=Probability and
a=Luck
So from the theorem,We have
God=Energy,Probability,Luck
God is Everything!!
(Hope I become a good mathematician like you)
PS1:You and Srinath agreeing on this is not luck and is:
God's verdict from a theist point of view.
Wise men think alike,so do fools from an atheist point of view.
Purely coincidental from an agnostic point of view.
PS2:This comment is bigger than your previous comment.
PS3:We studied PQT during fourth semester and not during third semester.
LET ME ONCE AGAIN RESTATE THE ROOT OF MY POST:
LUCK IS FALLACIOUS WHEN THE CLASSIFICATION IS MADE ON THE BASIS OF FAITH IN GOD.THERE EXISTS NO LUCK.
@don(venkat):
If I win a lottery of one crore,I would call it a dream because i never used to buy lottery tickets even when they were in existence. :d lol jokes apart,I being a theist will call it as God's grace and nothing else.
wat do u call game of gambling den...u win u lose ...all based on yr luck..
ok u said u r a theist n u said its GOd's grace u won a lottery...how bout atheist n the 3rd categry ppl
@don(wenks vicious)alias venkat
Regarding lottery:
It's God's grace for a theist.
Accurate judgment of the correct lottery ticket for an atheist.
Strange coincidence for an agnostic.
Regarding gambling:
gambling may be called as a game of luck just for its namesake but it's not a game of luck in reality because luck itself is no reality.
You win a gamble because:
God was on your side if you are a theist.
Of making the right moves at the right time if you are an atheist.
You deserved to win if you are an agnostic.
You lose a gamble because:
God let you down if you are a theist.
Of misjudgment and lack of concentration if you are an atheist.
You didn't play well from the start if you are an agnostic.
dei regd lottry thingie....one cannot
say tat this lootry no. ll surely ....u buy a lottry randomly... u don do ant permutations n combinations while buyin a lottry tick...
n comin to gamblin...
lets play a game...
there are 3 sections .... one section is nos. less dan seven second is 7 n third is more dan 7...u place yr money on frst sexion....i thrwo cupla dice n the sum of the no. of the dice is less dan seven n u win.....again next game u place yr money on same section but tis time the sum is more dan 7...u lose....now as an atheist wer did the term called OCncentration sneek in????
@wenkat
Hey,i know there aren't any P and C's in lottery.I said an atheist will say he had won the lottery because he had chosen the right lottery ticket and will say he had lost because he had not chosen the right lottery ticket.According to him wining or losing is not because of luck and not because of God.It's because he is making the decision of choosing the lottery.So it all depends on that individual.
Regarding gambling in connection with an atheist:
Gambling doesn't specify a game of dice alone my dear venkie.A game called Poker invovling cards is also a game of gamble and you need CONCENTRATION to play that game.That's how the word concentration sneeked in.Guess i've answered your question correctly.Well if not,feel free to hit me with your next question.
dont care abt anyting just work hard and hope for the best- aswin
@parthu(aswin kumar)
I know very well about you and your "give it everything you got"attitude.So I saw this comment coming.Anyways thanks a lot for dropping by and commenting.
A rationalist approach to luck includes the application of the rules of probability, and an avoidance of unscientific beliefs. The rationalist feels the belief in luck is a result of poor reasoning or wishful thinking. To a rationalist, a believer in luck commits the post hoc logical fallacy, which argues that because something is sequentially connected, it is connected otherwise, as well:
A happens (luck-attracting event or action) and then B happens;
Therefore, A caused B.
In this particular perspective, probability is only affected by confirmed causal connections. A brick falling on a person walking below, therefore, is not a function of that person's luck, but is instead the result of a collection of understood (or explainable) occurrences. Statistically, every person walking near the building was just as likely to have the brick fall on them.
Luck is merely an expression noting an extended period of noted outcomes, completely consistent with random walk probability theory. Wishing one "good luck" will not cause such an extended period, but it expresses positive feelings toward the one -- not necessarily wholly undesirable.
But luck is also a form of superstition which is interpreted differently by different individuals.
@raghu
"Luck is merely an expression noting an extended period of noted outcomes, completely consistent with random walk probability theory. Wishing one "good luck" will not cause such an extended period"--->Very true.
"luck is also a form of superstition which is interpreted differently by different individuals."--->Agreed and that was why i raised the question in my post as to "why people go in for luck?".This led to the classification and my analysis about them.
Anyways thanks a lot for commenting dude.Liked your comment primarily because it involved no criticism :d and secondly because I liked it!!
Good that I didn't comment earlier. I'm not going to comment now also;). I seem to get what your line of thoughts are after reading your replies. And I thought you were an atheist. Epo da theist ah maarine ;).
By the way, have updated my blog. Take a look!
@gadai
Dei nan ippodhikki theist dhan da!!
As a matter of fact, I'll fit into all three categories of my classification as I've been a part of each one of them at some point of time in my life.
Current status-->Theist.
hiii daa!!!!
Luck is like a love, it will always come to u when unexpected. And of course one need not worry about luck, if he is a staunch believer of god. Even then, one cannot luck is not important. The thing is One should Know wat proportion of ingredients are really necessary, to make the delicious dish called as "success".
@yamunan
Hey kingyam!
One should Know wat proportion of ingredients are really necessary, to make the delicious dish called "success" and luck is not a part of it!
Mate, I guess u've got it pretty confused, starting off wid wat Krishna and Sri said. I dont want to argue abt dat coz I believe u have convinced urself dat u're correct and hence, there's no point in sayin anythin now. Anyways, The classification of ppl is fine, but this single statement of urs -
"If a person is an atheist, why should he believe in luck when he doesn't believe in God?" ---
implies that u are relating Luck and God from an atheistic point of view, which need not be done at all...Atheists dont believe in God, hence their definition of Luck totally excludes God, linkin both doesnt make sense. I can see dat u're puttin some thot and writin stuff, which is appreciable anyways.
PS: In case u're replyin, scrap me if u can, dont read blogs often. Cya!
Kaushik
i feel luck proves to be more unexpected rather than searching for it .It plays an major role in our life
@cowmaa
I don't want to start off another debate now. I've made up my mind not to write controversial topics from now on :)[Thanks to krishna]. I was busy replying for his comments that I hardly slept that day. Anyway thanks a lot for dropping by and posting a comment on my blog.
@anonymous
Who is this? People have their own definition for luck and yours doesn't match mine.
if one gain something without any expection v term it as luck.irrespective of d luck one has 2 give his best shot.but being lucky is d one which each n everyone which cherish
@ Sanju
You term it as luck because there exists a term called luck in the english dictionary and we are most likely to use it frequently. But on giving it a deeper thought, you'll realize that you'll surely fit into one of the three classifications that I made and when you analyze luck from the standpoint of the category you fall into, luck will surely be an erroneous perception of reality!
Your blog was good but the comments confused me.
@Jai
Lol
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